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| insensitivity concerning the needless horrific torture of something totally innocent which cant speak for let alone defend itself in any way is both saddening and disgusting. It's no different in principle than tormenting small children or the elderly, or looking at it from a larger perspective; some social minority. This was a severe, sickening act of utmost cowardice and depravity no different and no less wrong than some that have been committed against our fellow man period, and should be treated exactly as such in every regard. There isnt much anything i've got to say to people who cant or don't want to understand that. |
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Muazzum haven't you ever seen those animal cruelty it's is horrible what they do to poor defenseless creatures nonetheless adorable it's should be dealt with severly because honestly my friend bought a rescue and he had been run over by his previous owner and because of that the dog is mentally scared forever he goes ballistic whenever he sees a cars and barks when a stranger comes. |
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My two bits on this dog matter: Would you set any living creature on fire? No. What they did was a horrible thing.
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School starts tomorrow. Whee.
I decided to splurge on myself for this month and the next by buying Dead Island GOTY. 30 bucks. Worth it. Xbox; anyone here have it?
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But how is a dog different from an insect? Both are living, breathing creatures, but insects get killed daily. No one wants to prosecute someone who kills Ants. No one wants to act against those who kill bees.
What they did was ridiculously cruel, and it is in no way to just. In law, a dog is a pet, which is the property of the owner. Therefore, it should be treated as a possession.
Here's an article I found that's similar to the situation at hand.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vermont-court-belov.....-dog-property-family/story?id=9362668#.UD2JAqDnGrY
If you don't wanna read it, it's about a dog who wandered in a man's yard, so he shot it & killed it. The man was taken to court and ordered to pay a large fine, serve a year probation & do 100 hours of Community Service. Which, IMO, is a fair punishment for what he did.
However, the family went back to court and sued for 6K stating: "emotional distress." However, the judge ruled that dog's are personal property and possessions, therefore, claims for emotional distress is not recognized by the court.
Those TEENAGERS, should be dealt with a similar punishment to that of the man who shot the dog, however, there's should be less severe since they are technically still children. Love a dog all you want, and treat it like it's family, however, the court still to this day, sees them as personal property. |
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Just throwing in my quick two cents:
I don't care if I sound like a sociopath or not: Feed the fucker to a pack of Rottweilers. |
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Obviously setting the dog on fire is very cruel - but I lean more towards agreeing with Muazz's stance. Catching the people who did that and setting them on fire as retribution is obviously going way too far. Putting them in jail for life is too much also. Comparing a dog to the elderly or children, or saying it should be treated as if it was committed against a human being is again, in my opinion, too far. I mean, earlier this year I more or less murdered half a dozen mice - helpless mice even, all of which I tricked into falling for mouse traps. Should I feel bad about that? Am I a mass murderer? There is a reason a lot of us draw the line at cats and dogs and not to countless other living things we don't give a shit about.
I am biased though, since I've never owned a pet, but I can appreciate the emotional connection those who do can have with their pets. I'm not saying that this is not a serious issue, and that they don't need to be punished - I just read over the article and it just sounds awful what they did to the poor dog, I really do feel bad for it. I'm just saying what has been suggested (setting them on fire, sending them to jail for life, these kids don't deserve to walk free, etc) is just far too extreme. They are teenagers. Maybe they were brought up in a shitty environment, maybe it was peer pressure, maybe they do have a chemical imbalance and have sociopathic tendencies as a result. They clearly need help. Obviously they should face punishment as well, but helping them is very important.
| Macy wrote: | Just throwing in my quick two cents:
I don't care if I sound like a sociopath or not: Feed the fucker to a pack of Rottweilers. |
How is this not as demented as what they did?
| Platypus wrote: | | if they were on fire right now and I had a glass of water, I'd drink the water. Whoever did this has obviously no respect for life of any kind and is evil. |
And, clearly, you do have respect for life, right?
| Austin Chaos wrote: | | If the person is NOT sick, then they are either a sociopath or a sick fucking asshole. Sociopaths belong in jail, and sick fucking assholes deserve the same pain they cause others. |
Being a sociopath = being mentally ill though, right? Can you appreciate the fact that they didn't suddenly choose to be mentally ill/sociopathic and there are many factors, most of which are well out of their control, that lead to it? I'm not saying that this means we should just give them a 'pass', they do need to be 'dealt with' and helped to make sure something like this (or worse) doesn't happen again, but not to ridiculously extreme lengths, especially at their current age. |
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| The distinction, I believe, is that a sociopath already lacks the basic ability for empathy, whereas other mental illnesses that may be at fault were developed over time, or were the result of a contributing factor. One can be treated, and should be, whereas the other simply has no capacity for emotional attachment or recognition. I don't automatically believe these teens deserve violence. I believe they deserve the appropriate punishment for the crime and situation. If they prove to be sick, help them get better and punish their crime, if they're sociopaths and beyond medical treatment, they need to be permanently detained. And if they're just pricks who decided to be violent for the kicks in it? Yeah, karma should be a bitch for people like that. |
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| Quote: | | "Muazzam"]But how is a dog different from an insect? Both are living, breathing creatures, but insects get killed daily. No one wants to prosecute someone who kills Ants. No one wants to act against those who kill bees. |
The difference is as follows.
It's difficult to feel as compassionate toward insects. Our immediate reaction is disgust, fear, or hostility. Insects are more feral (if that's the right word to use). They hatch, they feed, they work, they fight, they sex, they die in a drone like fashion. Try to hug an insect and it's not likely to give a damn and return the warmth. We can respect the insect and not harm it. But when the insect is indeed harmed, not too many people will care.
A creature such as a dog is easy to feel compassion for. They are for the most part hyper and fun loving animals. They love getting a belly rub, they follow you around, they sleep beside you, and they stick by you in dangerous situations. They are loyal creatures that return the warmth you give them. In that return of affection, both man and dog form a bond. The same way one human and another connect. This bond is especially strong when the man and dog grow up with each other. When such a thing is possible with an animal, people will question and react in opposition to any cruelty to them.
Say what you will about pets being "property", putting them along the same category as a phone or yard fence. The government sees you as a number with money but that's not true. You're more than that. You're a human being, a living creature with emotions. The same is true for a dog, they are someone's companion.
I love my cat the same way a father loves his son. I'd look for him across the world if he ever got lost. I'd go bare knuckles against a rabid animal if he was ever in danger. I cherish my cat so you'd best believe I'd use the law to it's fullest if anyone ever set him on fire. I'd dedicate my life to reminding those responsible of what they did.
Look at someone's dog or cat next time and convince yourself they're just property who should not deserve equal justice. Then look at someone's child and repeat because that's exactly how you're looking at this. |
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How is this not as demented as what they did? |
'Cause they deserve it.
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| squib wrote: | Obviously setting the dog on fire is very cruel - but I lean more towards agreeing with Muazz's stance. Catching the people who did that and setting them on fire as retribution is obviously going way too far. Putting them in jail for life is too much also. Comparing a dog to the elderly or children, or saying it should be treated as if it was committed against a human being is again, in my opinion, too far. I mean, earlier this year I more or less murdered half a dozen mice - helpless mice even, all of which I tricked into falling for mouse traps. Should I feel bad about that? Am I a mass murderer? There is a reason a lot of us draw the line at cats and dogs and not to countless other living things we don't give a shit about.
I am biased though, since I've never owned a pet, but I can appreciate the emotional connection those who do can have with their pets. I'm not saying that this is not a serious issue, and that they don't need to be punished - I just read over the article and it just sounds awful what they did to the poor dog, I really do feel bad for it. I'm just saying what has been suggested (setting them on fire, sending them to jail for life, these kids don't deserve to walk free, etc) is just far too extreme. They are teenagers. Maybe they were brought up in a shitty environment, maybe it was peer pressure, maybe they do have a chemical imbalance and have sociopathic tendencies as a result. They clearly need help. Obviously they should face punishment as well, but helping them is very important. |
You can speak for yourself i feel bad every time i squash a bug on accident with my bike, the trail i use is like infested with them so that happens all the time and it ALWAYS MAKES ME sad but nah dont think it over too much you're just a horrible person is all.
since your calling me out too though there I want to clarify it's not the dog i'm comparing to kids or the elderly it's the act itself. Purposely targeting something (or someone) that has no means of self defense for that reason is despicable. Obviously at the same time if they'd picked a fully grown bear or something to light on fire I'd be no less sympathetic to the cause of those responsible but then again I dont understand why details should seperate bad from worse in cases such as these. Deriving pleasure out of torture is one of the most awful things humans are capable of is the bottom line here. And dont worry i'm not about to start vouching for the worth of a bug's life when compared with a person's or whatever or say those people deserve the exact same thing done to them or any other stupid thing. The only points I'm trying to make really are that what they did was inexcusably wrong, it's not at all something to be taken lightly and also that I personally could never empathise with people that would define a pet as nothing more than property. It's understandable that some of us might have different stances where that last part is concerned though. I just am the way I am, no different from anybody else in that regard |
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Well folks, goodbye for now. Ny net will be transfered tomorrow to the new house, so I'll see you guys in aboooooooout...a month, I'll say.
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| Neko wrote: | | You can speak for yourself i feel bad every time i squash a bug on accident with my bike, the trail i use is like infested with them so that happens all the time and it ALWAYS MAKES ME sad but nah dont think it over too much you're just a horrible person is all. |
It 'happens all the time' and you continue to do it (I assume), so I can't imagine you feeling too upset about it.
| Neko wrote: | | I want to clarify it's not the dog i'm comparing to kids or the elderly it's the act itself ... I dont understand why details should seperate bad from worse in cases such as these. |
You are basically saying this act "should be treated as if it was committed against a human being", right? In my opinion, there is a clear distinction between bad and worse in cases like this. I'd be far more outraged if this happened to a human being - defenceless or not, than I would be if a trapped, defenceless spider was burned alive. I'm pretty sure you would as well. I feel like I have to mention that I really do think that this dog being tortured like that is awful. But I'd feel much more a gutpunch if this happened to a human being - and I would say that that would be worse.
| Neko wrote: | | Purposely targeting something (or someone) that has no means of self defense for that reason is despicable. |
agreed
| Neko wrote: | | Deriving pleasure out of torture is one of the most awful things humans are capable of is the bottom line here |
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| Neko wrote: | | The only points I'm trying to make really are that what they did was inexcusably wrong, it's not at all something to be taken lightly |
Agree with this as well, I'm just saying a lot of people are scarily overreacting to it by proposing extreme punishment, as well as other inhumane acts that sound just as cruel as teenager's initial offence.
| Neko wrote: | | and also that I personally could never empathise with people that would define a pet as nothing more than property |
I don't really want to put words in Muazz's mouth, but I'm sure he meant they are 'property' in terms of how this would be judged by law or something, and not his personal opinion (maybe it is, I don't know). From reading Muazz's posts it seems like he definitely thinks this whole situation is very cruel/awful, but he also thinks there has been an extreme overreaction as well.
| Austin Chaos wrote: | | The distinction, I believe, is that a sociopath already lacks the basic ability for empathy, whereas other mental illnesses that may be at fault were developed over time, or were the result of a contributing factor. One can be treated, and should be, whereas the other simply has no capacity for emotional attachment or recognition. |
Why do they *just* lack the ability for empathy? If it's not due to environment, upbringing, etc, that developed over time; its due to fault(s) in the brain that arose from faulty genetics. And in that case, the person is still mentally ill/sick/has a disorder. I agree, that if there is no helping them and they are a threat to society, then they should be permanently detained. But from the very little information we have (practically nothing), we don't know if that's the case. |
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The way I see it, the people defending the dog as "property" aren't really animal lovers, which is understandable. I know some people that could give a fuck less about pets and they don't even budge when this sort of thing happens. So, I can see where Muazzam is coming from.
That being said, the opposite side can see how this is cruel, horrible, and inhumane. One of the early signs of a person having mental issues/being a serial killer is torturing and hurting small animals, and that should have them locked away for a decent amount of time due to the extreme nature of the abuse in this case.
Some people see their pets as their best friends, their comfort, sometimes their only friend in the world. So, you have to ask yourself "If my best friend was set ON FIRE, and was intended to be killed, would I be angry enough to want justice and have them face similar punishment?" It doesn't matter if any laws protect dogs, it's that connection that is what makes the crime so horrible. Its how the person feels.
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Chronyk and Muazzam have never had pets. So that explains a lot, and why they see the dog as just "property."
It's too bad you feel that way, and it saddens me that there are probably many more like you out there : ( |
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| Macy wrote: | Well folks, goodbye for now. Ny net will be transfered tomorrow to the new house, so I'll see you guys in aboooooooout...a month, I'll say.
Ta for now! |
Later man! Take care and we'll see you in a month!
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The Madden 13 game lets you upload two pics (face, profile) to easports.com/gameface and renders your face for use in the EA games. I don't think many people here are into sports games, but its still pretty cool.
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Now I just wish they would include this in games like WWE and Skyrim lol |
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Okay, I'm getting confused on why we're still on that dog thing. It's getting a little old.
Some punks lit a dog on fire.
What they did was not kind, period.
The do deserve some kind of punishment, but nothing too extreme- or too light. Whether or not they get it, is another story altogether.
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